NETMEETING DAY 4 (abstract)
17:23:13 [mariusz] Me,I try to transform the contener in a circus.
17:23:45 [mariusz] I’ll try to put inside few circus tricks. It’s only question of a good performance.
17:24:47 [mariusz] I find few very good performers : The solo “demonstrator” (I put the sound on line) and Romeo with the biggest susceptible heart or testicle, in the world.
17:25:54 [stropdas] who is the solo demonstrator ?
17:32:11 [mariusz] A A man who is able to make a big protest demonstration using the only his own voice. But, there will be also few video tricks, radio tricks, dance tricks, freaks and monsters.
17:35:09 [stropdas] Ijust listened to it, sounds good
17:39:24 [mariusz] My question is :how to fill the contener with a simple action without objects.
17:42:57 [haim] by images, maybe, by sounds, by movments of a performer, by lights, by smells...
17:56:59 [mariusz] Absolutely.....authentic, sincere and sensible artiste can lie.
17:58:04 [ricardo] Haim is art true ? or is it only a subjective /sensitive vision and at least not really truth...
17:58:14 [Thomas] nothing is normal with computers :)
17:58:27 [haim] so the definition of the word lie should be discussed
17:59:34 [haim] the word truthe should be discussed as well since truth is a subjectiv/sensitiv illusion
18:01:50 [ricardo] I agree with that Haim, tonight I’ll try to read some books Bye bye
18:02:45 [mariusz] I mean, you can take all attitudes you want, Why not to be charlatan. It can be a position against any ideologies. You take them, you use them and you put them out.
18:07:06 [mariusz] to Haim, It’s not cynic ; it is just sincere answer and reply to the system around.
18:13:36 [mariusz] Contener take a part of a big economical system. It’s not simple to find a place for the art in it.
18:16:08 [mariusz] I think we have to be careful, vigilant with it..
18:18:48 [antoine2] Mariusz when you talk about contener (with a "e" and not a "ai") you mean our project ? I’m sure not but you’re right about the big market of international transportation
18:21:26 [antoine2] container was created in 1968, it became the tool of the globalisation.... heu heum...
18:25:37 [mariusz] I think about contenaire, generally but also about our work in the contenair in the project.
18:31:35 [mariusz] I wanted to say, that all our work (internet and container) is hover (turn) around the communication systems. What about the art and the communication ?
18:36:50 [antoine2] yes, and how can the artists take advantage of this global communication system ??
NETMEETING DAY 5 (Abstract)
17:25:46 [haim] sory for cuting the conversetion yesterday we should exchange if you which on this consept of charlatanism...
17:27:26 [antoine] all artists are charlatans, no ?
17:32:40 [haim] charletan is diferent then afabulation diferent then simulation diferent then the carpet bed qualitiy sellair any way i do not lie i may be chiting my self but not indifferently the athers
17:33:42 [mariusz] The contemporary artist who has never felt like a charlatan, he is so feeble-minded, that his works certainly don’t warrant being looked at.
17:38:35 [haim] The contemporary artist who has never felt like a charlatan, he is so feeble-minded, that his works certainly don’t warrant being looked at.
17:39:14 [mariusz] Still about charlatanism, Who says the truth, who says the reality ?
17:39:35 [stropdas1] why should it be so that every artist at least once feld like a charlatan.
17:40:25 [haim] reality is a profond subjectiv perception, truth it’s the same
17:41:12 [stropdas1] for me charlatanism is about fraud ?
17:41:56 [antoine] about lie is better no ?
17:43:45 [mariusz] Charlatan he is perhaps somebody who doesn’t pretend, and doesn’t claim to say the truth. He is not either involved in power.
17:45:18 [stropdas1] evreything is the same, nothing is equal//
17:46:56 [mariusz] Jan, are you talking about your camera.
17:48:41 [stropdas1] or how to have it interpretated, both ways can be possible
17:55:52 [haim] I think the definition of evry word that we employed should be looked for in a dictionnary. I think that politic / power / pretentious / megalomania are differents concepts than the intimacy of the artist’s affabulation for himself as well as for the personns are involved passivly in the work